Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 9:33 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

I am Tony Winter, married 41 years ago to a young Romanian girl born in Timisoara. Her mother died in a train accident, and shortly after we married to come to England. In a deplorable time of opportunism, her uncle stole her dead mother's money and after laundering it, became 'imbogatire fara cauza' some seven years later purchased a property at Strada 2 Paciurea. On his death in June 2003 this stolen money which had been used to buy the above property, became new evidence. Several court cases commenced and one succeeded, but this one failed due to wilful negligence at the Cadastre, Judecatoria, and Mayor Mr. Gheorghe Ciuhandu's offices, who was asked to assist in placing a caution on the property while the case was to be investigated. Evidence of wilful negligence was collected, and suspicions of bribery and corruption were clear. The case could not proceed because 4 repeated basic requests to the Court, Cadastre and Mayor were ignored in complicity of wilful neglect. Now the accession to the EU is proceeding, the case will be re-opened in a European court where an invocation of the 1503 procedure is commencing, and all defendants named, including those in authority whose conduct was an obstruction of Justice. This deplorable theft has been brought to the attention of the Authorities in Bucharest, President, Prime Minister, Anti corruption Minister and three EU commissioners. The open letters can be viewed at http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/Romania.


The Story is located on http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/Story

The site has been face lifted, changes in progress but the first 6 pages in one file is available for reading.
the URL is
http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk//Story/index.html

The 'au revoir' is because the continuation will proceed from the above link, and for those of you who have read what has been said, the rest shall come from there, with some of you in the story. I thank the web master and those of you who have read and visited the pages. New postings do not get email notifications so my visits will be random.. I wish all the very best in health and happiness for your futures as brothers and sisters with us in the EU soon.
Tony[/u][/b]




I have just added new evidence of the Winter V Police case in the UK, if you care to read and be amused, completion date next 24 hrs.
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/page6.html and
http://www.logiclaw.co.uk/WVPolCps.html

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I have just update the page on Winter V Metropolitan Police and Crown Prosecution Service, Winter prevailed with costs of £650. I should hopefully finish the synopsis tonight. All the evidence will go after I have done http://logiclaw.co.uk/page6.html


Winter V Thorne Emi, and their insurers,
Winter V Amtrak – is done needs synopsis
Winter V Telewest
Winter V WORLDS LARGEST BANK in top 4 cannot be names due to an agreement on compensation.
Winter V Local Authority coming up and others
They're interesting reading and not too long. A Citizen's charter of rebuttal in abuses.

Don't forget
http://forceofdestiny.co.uk/Romania/page5.html
Just being unravelled now.

I am commencing a posting of exhibits showing what happened between June 2003 and 2004, There are hundreds of communications, and we had three replies from the Local Court, mainly for a VERBAL hearing , which was not serious enough, and without the 'Intimpinare' instructions being even attempted, this was a waste of time visit, we were told in Timisoara, officially and unofficially the visit would be to pay and get nothing, the cost would be as much as to buy the property again, and the crime clearly will not be investigated. Only A guarantee from the government would alter our course of publicising the facts.
The updates are on
http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/Romania/page5.html

The communications were sent to The Prime Minister who clearly was too busy to attend to problems with citizens, as I understand IF the following, from the news papers is true;
Former PM accused of receiving 1 bln Lei bribe
A former governmental counsellor filed a complaint with the National Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office against former PM Adrian Nastase who had received a 1 billion lei bribe in exchange of a governmental post. The news channel Realitatea TV managed to obtain the declaration submitted by former counsellor Fanel Pavalache to the General Prosecutor’s Office.
He was far too busy with his own affairs.
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Ultima modificare efectuată Anthony la 04/Iun/2006, 7:21 pm, modificat de 10 ori în total

Editare făcută de Anthony la data de: 24/Mai/2006, 9:55 pm:

is anyone reading what I read, this doesn't appear consistent with our treatrment

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 9:44 pm    Titlul subiectului:

I still don't get it.. how and what can the city hall help in this case? It's obvious that this is more a justice and personal problem than smth else.
Just my 2 cent...

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 10:08 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

It's very simple.
The City hall and cadastre are in the same building.
As the Cadastre did not have a fax or email address, I requested HE pass the emails I sent to the cadastre down to the other rooms.
He read the emails and never replied, obstructing justice. The court did the same, and the cadastre did not place a caution on the property. There were four legal requests, the other three were to sieze the deceased person's documents, serve the claim upon the defendant, and one other. All is explaiend on the URL link, as this case is seen as one where justice cannot be sought in the traditional maner. Therefore this isw becoming wide open for all the public to see. The property and money is not important. The injustice and theft IS, and If I cannot get a correction, I am left no alternative but to call on all whose wilful neglect assisted the obtruction, or write a story. After forty years, I think its best to write the story, but I am giving it this last chance to see if anyone in authority has some integrity and sense of justice while a criminal got away with plunder and a distant uncle inherits stolen property. Does that seem just to you?

Bribery was involved at several points.

As I promised, I have posted some new evidence of how contact with Timisoara three years ago, was all a waste of time. If you are interested, have a look at http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/Romania
on the exhibits page.
Tony
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Ultima modificare efectuată Anthony la 23/Mai/2006, 11:17 pm, modificat de 2 ori în total

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 10:19 pm    Titlul subiectului:

Just one question.. those requests were written in romanian or english? Anyway, these kind of problems cannot b solved in this way, u have to come here in person to get things moving. Like.. it could b funny if I try to solve my problems in England by writting in romanian at the .. let's say, Briston's city hall forum

But talkin about birocracy.. well, believe me that it's not quite as u say. I had to deal with same lvl of birocracy in the might Germany too. So, it's kinda wrong to say that is smth what can happen only here. But hey, these r just my thoughts.. maybe u get lucky and somebody from the administration will give u more than a comment. But I think it could b more usefull if ur wife wil write about these issues on romanian. Good luck.

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 10:25 pm    Titlul subiectului:

So because the city hall did not pass the emails you sent, to the cadastre, you are sayng that they obstruct the justice. Right?
Looks that you had a lousy lawyer... or no lawyer. If you did... why didn't he made a oficial request directly to the cadastre. If you didn't ...why? Justice by email...that's not the way around here.

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 10:40 pm    Titlul subiectului:

He did Val, read again. Like:

Anthony a scris:

...There were four legal requests, the other three were to sieze the deceased person's documents, serve the claim upon the defendant, and one other. All is explaiend on the URL link, as this case is seen as one where justice cannot be sought in the traditional maner...

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 11:02 pm    Titlul subiectului:

Hi Tony, i think your fight will issue no results,
you try to prove that this person had money from an illicit action
( you presume it was theft ), this guy can come up with a phony
document if he wants to that will prove that he got the funds from
a private loan, and or a gift, such loans were very common before 1989
and even after 1989, many times a hand shake was enough, nothing on paper... it would be a very difficult task to prove that the money were your mother's in law.
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Azi in Timisoara maine in toata tara

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 11:21 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

not too difficult to prove, tha bank admitted in a telephone recorded conversation, that he went to them and said my wife was either dead or never returning. They released the money as his name initals also were the same.
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 11:23 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

two replies in one......
No doubt about it, this was written in Romanian and English, and since the Romanian level of paperwork was inadequate, I made Romanian claim forms on the European model, considerably more sophisticated. All were sent, and nothing was done. Of course we would have come to town, we have re-visited Romania many times, and I loved it. But without a guarantee that certain pre-conditions were going to be satisfied, it was a waste of time and money. Also we were assured that a visit for a 'chat' which was all we had achieved after 6 months, was going to be a matter of paying a substantial sum of money, with which we could buy an apartment without any fuss anyway, was going to be, despite everyone believing us, a matter of coming and going without success, and throwing away the money. I was not prepared for that kind of Justice. Not even the Defendant was sent any paperwork so that he too would appear. This is not the way justice is conducted in the UK,. There is a serious pre-action protocol prior to a court hearing, and none of these pre-requisites were even considered.
Thank you for making your point, I hope i have covered it properly.
By the way British, Justice is not too good either, but that is another matter treated on the we site.
My wife was born in Timisoara, and knows every street name even before and after they were changed. She has a crystal clear memory, and I was present at the hearing of her mother's death, and the Uncle's dispute at having taken all her possessions.
Your most respectfully,
Tony Winter

Yes we did have a bad lawyer, it was discovered the uncle bribed him, in the first instance, and we had other things to get on with in life. This happened several times. Only when we approached President Ceaucesu was part of the problem solved, and that money remained in the CEC to stand testimony that this was all true. It also stands to show that, now it is worth no more than a loaf of bread, the money was not the objective.
Injustice remains, the property is in the hands of the brother of another mayor of Romania, and his father has a criminal record.
It is all a story that 2will be provided on that link, and all questions will be answered. I will try to answer some here, but please look there at some reasonable intervals.
Thank you for your comment, I would love to re-visit Romania and wanted to retire there. Had my wife's inheritance been available I probably would have asked to stay in Romania, I loved it so much.
Tony
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 16/Mai/2006, 11:36 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

I am the computer expert in the house, sorry if I cannot write Romanian, for you, all the dcuments that were placed with the court, will soon be on the website in Romanian and English, as they were writen three years ago. I understand Romanian and can speak it a little, but I apologise this has to be conducted in English, It is too tedious for my wife to translate at this pace and I type. Anyway all responses so far are in English. I can reply in ENGLISH to French, German, Spanish and Romanian questions.
Tony
Thai is all for today, I am signing off, and will try to answer more tomorrow.
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 12:01 am    Titlul subiectului:

Still not enough. I really think that ur wife should write down few lines in romanian. Maybe not the whole story in all the details as u did.. but at least the the main issues. My another 2 cent ..

Oh.. and welcome in virtual Timisoara btw.

Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 12:45 am    Titlul subiectului: For Tony

Hi Tony, i read your answer, i think you may have a chance
if you can get a record of the witdrawal from CEC, i do not know
if they keep it in an archive of some sort, if the guy paid some
inheritance taxes ( i am no expert, i do not know the law ) some kind of
link among the funds being withdrawn and the man, you could also
sue CEC for negligence ( they actually released the funds to some
person that claim that your wife is deceased or has dissapeared)
and win the case against CEC, they may not care since the amount
would be neglijable for the size of their company, and this would be an ecellent start for the case you have against the defendant.

I do not think you can seize the property he bought after 7 years,
it would be very hard to prove that he used the inheritance as the
payment.
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Azi in Timisoara maine in toata tara

Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 1:15 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

Thank you for this!
I have enough for what is needed I think. Since the authorities are in several and joint ways all responsible for this awful travesty, I hold them all responsible and accountable for the small parts they each played in the whole.
The injustice has been part of legal pursuit for forty years, and with Romania about to join the EU, I am not going to stop now. I have pursued cases in the uk for far less, and had satisfaction. The last cases were over just 15lb and 50lb, I have two serious advantages that I cannot state here, they are for my defendant's to discover when in court. But the 15lb case took one year, went past three judges, and cost the defendant 1200lb in losses, for me the exercise was just one of improving my advocacy. 300 pages for just 15lb might make you think I was eccentric, not quite! I will not tolerate injustice, and abuse, whether in the UK, or Romania. My wife and I have 4 university degrees between us, and my proficiency in LAW is at barrister level, (making it a fifth) even UK Judges have been stopped in their tracks at the logic of my arguments, as I do not pursue proof, I pursue TRUTH, and not for financial gain. I am not conventional, and obey the laws of logic not proof like lawyers do. As a retired person I am even more thorough now than at anytime in my youth. You can surely perceive I don't want the property in my final years. I just will not accept injustice plain and simple, and where the answers defy proof, TRUTH is what remains, that's my speciality. I did two exams in Logic forty years ago, and to my complete dismay in courts ths past ten years, no lawyer has argued NON-fallaciously, so in each case they were defeated on logic (The laws of Logic) This is a major defect in lawyers. 'Cucullus non facit monachum'.
Please look at http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/ the Romanian flag link, and you will see the beginnings of placing over three hundred pages there.
I had similar discussions on the forum of
http://www.novinite.com/forum_view.php?main_id=83682
see the Anthony thread
Barroso Wants Bulgaria, Romania in EU on Jan 1, 2007


There are 5 totaling over 300 readers in 5 days.
Hope I answered you queries ok?
Best regards.
Nice talking, Tony
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Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 1:20 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

Deare Magnum, The case was translated in Romanian, and the whole represents some 500 pages in both languages. Please see my url http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/ Romanian flag, and the 3 related sites, logiclaw and complaints/abuses if you need re-assurance that I understand what may be required in court.. It has all been done, but I will not tolerate having my intelligence isluted by spending the price of a house on a case, when I could buy one without the fuss.
Nice taling with you, and thank you for sharing.


A. Winter M.Sc . St. Pauls's Cathedral, M.Sc. Harrow, Piano, Organ, Violin, Singing. Undergraduate B.Sc.
M.C. Winter B.A. Lit., B.A. Phil (Hons), Additional interests: Music, Opera, Ballet, Drama, Etiquette & Fine Arts.
A.H. Winter B.A. Lit., B.A. Phil (Hons), Additional specialities: Psychology, LAW, Shakespeare, Music.
Former MD, Clothing. OEM, IT manager, Application designer, Lecturer, Programmer (Unix,Csh,Basic,C,C+, Author of DBMS III, Menuix)
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Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 8:37 am    Titlul subiectului:

So Mr. anthony what do you really want? At that page there's such a mess I can't get the point of your complaint.