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magnum Cetatean
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17/Mai/2006, 10:52 am
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Well, I took a quick
look at those links and I can't say that I'm not too happy
with what I saw. U have a long and pretty complicated story
here, a bit hard to follow in all the details. But one thing
is kinda anoying. Like u put the whole country in one boat
coz some justice failures. Now, I wonder how it could look if
I will do the same with my past problems with the german
justice and birocracy sistem. Like making a website about
this, writing to the german PM, to the UE council and so on
and askin if they worth to b in UE.
More than that,
several years ago, I had a heavy dispute with the canadians
since they refused me a visa to go in Canada and visit my
brother who lives there. The reason then was smth like.. u r
too young and not have any guarantee that u will not abuse
our emigration law. Now, walking on your path, I should bring
up a website about this, write to the whole canadian
goverment, including Mr. Blair and the queen and screaming
all around the world that the canadians have a sick jusitice
and goverment.
So, what I have to say is, why u think
and belive that u as an UK citizen can have more right to a
fair justice than we do with foreign justice, or even with
our justice. Why do u think that these issues can only happen
in Romania and nowhere else?
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 1:02 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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I don't know what page
you refer to, or if you understood its meaning, as the point
remains clouded for you, I will try to illuminate. Justice
is that quality the instinct and soul yearns for, Every
living thing has the awareness of this just like the elephant
remembers receiving a benefit or detriment. You may not have
the experience in your frame of a serious detriment. One day
you will, as life is too long without it, and man is the
measure of all things, so you cannot know happiness truly,
unless you are familiar with pain. When you have such an
experience you will feel the same as every other living
entity on this planet, and the notion of injustice - want of
equity - will be either strong or weak depending on your
sense of the degree of injustice. In this case the loss of a
mother and simultaneous theft of an inheritance left a young
girl suicidal. My presence gave the criminal a moment of
opportunism to plunder what was not his, I saved a precious
wonderful life and found immeasurable happiness as a result.
Back in 1965 NO PERSON was allowed to marry and emigrate, it
was unthought of, and we had to get permission, both being
followed by security in each country. Can you imagine what
that is like when two continents separate you from a loved
on? Our case of marriage, my near death, and so on, was
unique for people at that time. Because of people like me,
with determination and the understanding of mechanisms
leading to a viable and desirable teleologies other people
like perhaps you, have a better life. Its a debt I pay to my
father who fought in the last war for such freedoms, and I
pass on for the next generation to enjoy more such freedoms.
The planet is in decline, and human detritus is a major
factor in the process, where there is injustice someone with
moral courage has to say NO, its that simple! Every person
that tolerates injustice, or fails to expose it, helps build
a world where such things are pervasive. I will not do that,
it's also that simple! I hope this answers the question, of
principle, rather than practice. Thank you for your
comments. Tony Winter. _________________ Re opening
a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of
justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above
website.
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 1:37 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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I have tried to reply
to the last question several times, but the page sent is not
coming up. I wonder why? I may try again
later. _________________ Re opening a case of theft of
inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been
recorded and becoming public at the above website.
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magnum Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 2:04 pm
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Tony, is not as simple
as that. U have this sad story, u feel a heavy pain inside u
and the feeling of injustice is very strong. But that's not
mean that u have the right to say that ur r the only one in
the world who feels that. I don't like to say this in public,
but I had my hard time too. My father emigrated in Germany in
the comunist era and he died there. Except the fact that my
whole childhood was lost in a very strong dictatorial regim,
my father stats was a very painfull issue for me under the
comunist regim.
Having a relative outside the damn
border was kinda a marker over ur head and ur rights was
resumed to nothing. U can say that is was just smth similar
to the jewish stats in the nazi era. To bring me out of this
hell, he paid to the comunist regim about 8.000 german mark,
but the money was stollen by some offcials from the goverment
and we can't did nothing to do about it. More than that, I
was sent in the army, that's mean a work camp what was in
reallity a prison. It's a very long and painfull story. Too
long to explain just by typing.
Anyway, he died in
Germany and after we escaped from the terror regim, I wanted
to go and put a flower on his grave. But no, being a romanian
and ex comunist country citizen, the damn german goverment
cut my right to visit his grave. So, I forced the german
border and entered illegaly in Germany. And here begins
another long and very painfull story. I had to deal with that
damn stupid german justice and birocracy and of course, I had
no chance against them. Now, even if it's a long time since
this happened, still my heart is full of anger and hate when
I remember those moments. Beside that, smth similar was with
the canadians.
So, injustice, opresion has no
borders. Just take a look at the damn americand and how they
civil right is cutted day by day, all in the name of
security. Security what was broken by their idiot goverment,
not by the citizens. Almost the same in UK. So, what I'm
saying is that u must cut off the nation from ur statements.
Coz not we as citizens did the unjustice. In my case too, I'm
not angry on the german nation, but on their stupid laws and
justice system. That's all. In rest, I agree wit u.
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 3:20 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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Dear Magnum, how kind
to take the time and discern. There are a few misconceptions
about me, and to do you the best justice in a cogent reply, I
will write back a little later today as I have some thing
pressing on me, eg, the company involved in my dispute with
the British company Amtrak has asked my permssion to use the
argument I used to defeat the privity rule 1861 in the UK,
which has been a major problem for 140 years here causing
considerable injustice. A radical approach was needed, and
since I am not a profeesional lawyer, insights from
philosophy gave me the edge because of my backgroun in Logic.
There is so much fallacious reasoning around, I wonder how
the human race will survive with agenda driven thinking, that
sets aside the purity of thought from our worlds best
writers. Please bear with me a while, I will be faithful
in response to your reply, for which I thank you. kind
regards. TOny PS I was not sure why I had to re-post my
previous mssages, and percieved that these pages are
monitored, sensing a force of reaction possibly cutting of
the flow. If free speach is allowed then it shall be tested a
little here. If I am cut off, I shall continue on my own
website. This is something I have been observing
throughout. I have built over 20,000 computers in my time,
and sold to the largest UK companies. I know enough about
computer technology to well distinguish between the
mechanisms of technical problems and human intervention.
Best regards. Tony _________________ Re opening
a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of
justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above
website.
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magnum Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 3:40 pm
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Relax Tony, nobody
will cut u off, unless u wil not break the common sense and
forum rules. Now, don't ask me to translate it coz I really
don't have time for this.. but so far, we r on the right
track. And these rules r common for any forums worldwide,
nothin' special.
One thing tho'.. if we will deviate
too much from the main theme, expect that discussion can b
moved to the chit-chat section of this forum since this
section is only for discussion about the city hall and local
authorities.
L8r
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ZVrk Grup-moderatori
Data
înscrierii: 03/Noi/2005 Mesaje: 296 Locaţie:
Timisoara
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 3:48 pm
Titlul subiectului: Re: Furt de proprietate
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Anthony
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I
have tried to reply to the last question several times, but
the page sent is not coming up. I wonder why? I may try
again later.
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Every time you
have tried to reply, your page was posted. The result?
You have posted three times the same message. I have
deleted two of them. The third is still there!
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Anthony
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PS
I was not sure why I had to re-post my previous mssages, and
percieved that these pages are monitored, sensing a force of
reaction possibly cutting of the flow. If free speach is
allowed then it shall be tested a little here. If I am cut
off, I shall continue on my own website. This is
something I have been observing throughout. I have built over
20,000 computers in my time, and sold to the largest UK
companies. I know enough about computer technology to well
distinguish between the mechanisms of technical problems and
human intervention. Best regards. Tony
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Is this a joke?
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Heron_Invictus Cetatean
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 4:26 pm
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yupp, the cosmic joke.
Anthony, with honest regards, but I think no one is
deleting or doing anything with your posts. Would it be a
human intervention you wouldn't have any post on this
forum.
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 5:39 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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Very astute, BUT I
will show you human intervention of a very special kind,
OMMISIONS that are wilful relied on as a cloak for
non-culpability. I trust you all know precisely what that is,
if not then a Philosophy degree would be desirable among
others. I have irrefragible evidence that leaves unquivocal
conclusions of willful negligence. It will be on my web site
soon, and it has been seen by the three EU commissioners, as
well as some member state MEP's. I don't suffer from
halluciatory perception as many would like to believe, when I
say something, I usually back it up with real evidence not
innuendo. Please be patient. I see none of you are familiar
with the days when everyone talked in whispers in case
someone was nearby. I have been followed by men in terrible
leather coats wearing dark glasses, and no mistake. When
similar things hapened to me in the UK, I had a cameral in
the car and it was ready to be shown at the court hearing
with a case of police perjury. Of course the case was
withdrawn, and compensation paid. Yours very amused, but
sufficiently re-assureed that the clouds are clearing. With
kindest regards. Tony _________________ Re opening
a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of
justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above
website.
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 5:45 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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Great News, I rejoice
at. A door is opening, we don't know where, or what it
leads to, but "time unfolds what plighted cunning hides"
A truly great day, my best wishes to all the Romanian
people with truth and sincerity in their hearts.
-------------------------- Horns blare, traffic
is gridlocked in the hot sunshine, and pedestrians scamper
for the relative safety of the kerb, as a line of cars shoots
away from the traffic lights - only to screech to a halt
further on, bumper to bumper. It is a typical May
afternoon in Bucharest - but with a difference. One word
is on everyone's lips, in every headline, on every TV and
radio programme - "the report". _________________ Re
opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful
obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public
at the above website.
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 7:52 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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Gentlemen, This is an
attempt to reply to several postings in one, Magnum, ZVrk,
and Heron. --- Heron first perhaps with a little joke! You
say -- “Anthony, with honest regards, but I think no
one is deleting or doing anything with your posts.” and
ZVrk says ---” I have deleted two of them. The third is
still there!” Which you should have seen. Now do you
see the obvious contradiction? I'll say no more. These kinds
of statements, especially by people in authority where there
are consequences detrimental to others are what I find
egregiously invidious. It's all ok with general day to day
chat, but when detrimental consequences flow that is where I
am interested to focus. Next ZVk. I wonder how far one
can go, the trouble is, in western societies we suffer from
bureaucracy, fallacious reasoning, sophistry and semantic
manipulation on a scale whose vastidity is planet wide and
alarming. Its really wonderful to be able to even speak to
you, I expected the controlling mind, if it IS YOU, to be
more distant, and obscured. When it comes to communicating
with people in authority, there is insufficient space here to
treat the problem, that will all be stated on my website.
Coming to Magnum, I regret to say that there is an
assumption that is inaccurate. I do not feel the pain,it is
not mine. I have watched the psychological individuation
process (Jung) of my wife this past forty years, being
inhibited by the injuries sustained during the period of her
mother's death, my being close to death when it was all she
had in the world, while a particular member of her family
plundered in rapine fashion her subsistence that was the
substrate of her 'raison de'tre' she had right to, under any
ideology. It was not until many years had passed that she
began to get over the damage, and we were now both busy
bringing up our son, who you will see on our website section
Music. He was first at St Paul's Cathedral London, and Harrow
Music both paying his fees as a scholar. I am responsible for
his first fifteen years of life, after which he began to
control his own destiny. Having completed that task, I began
to take stock of how, as a businessman, running my own
successful business, I was taken advantage of by general
abusers in every walk of life through any means. Mostly due
to ENVY, and a desire to separate a couple who were and
remain deeply in love. They tried it in our university days
together. The entire class of students went as a body to the
tutor and said the question had to be framed wrongly, (on the
ontological and teleological arguments for the existence of a
God) and the tutor said “ Sorry the question was
correct, there was one person that understood it”. Our
values changed, I for one was not prepared to have my
intelligence insulted any more, and where there was a legal
remedy I sought it, and in every legal case I prevailed,
primarily because I was,not interested in the money. I have
reached that age where it is not important, what is more
importance is life's experiences and learning. Coupled with
the dismay in seeing others abused, in the manner I my wife
was abused. I resolved it had to stop, and since that
decision, while many have tried, they all failed because my
focus was truth, not detracted from by money, and the
principle at the heart of the argument. Most people want to
just win at any cost, no matter the destruction created upon
others. I am an academic, If I am wrong I will freely admit
it immediately, I have no time to waste in hiding a fault, I
don't, like many, lack the moral courage. People in authority
confuse this principle with a notion that an admission incurs
liability and cannot admit faults, yet that was a basic
principle at the heart of the Communist society when I met
it, self criticism. I and my wife prefer the to know
ourselves better, and achieve that by way of discernment to
Shakespeare's argument in Twelfth Night where this process is
assisted by understand what is at the heart of “the
better for my foes and the worse for my friends. DUKE.
Just the contrary: the better for thy friends. CLOWN. No,
sir, the worse. DUKE. How can that be? CLOWN. Marry,
sir, they praise me and make an ass of me. Now my foes
tell me plainly I am an ass; so that by my foes, sir, I
profit in the knowledge of myself, and by my friends I am
abused;” Thus our marriage has been one of friendly
being 'foes' since the outset. Truth to each other made us
better able to change to please.
A agree with you
totally that injustice has no borders, every family has its
woes, and when you look over my web site you must conclude
ONLY that this complaint is very even handed. Not
specifically concerning Romania, its just some individuals
just the same as in every country. I have fought
injustice in the UK, on many occasions, the one with a thief
in the family and the petty “Th' oppressor's wrong, the
proud man's contumely, The pangs of despis'd love, the
law's delay, The insolence of office, happens to be
the dispute of the moment, there should not be any reason to
see it otherwise, except that you must bear in mind, the
rules of engagement in this area unlike those in normal
courtroom precisely because when my wife left Romania, she
wasn't allowed any documentation, NOT even her birth
certificate. Do you have one, is it normal for you t have
one, why should she have to pay 80 lb for a power of attorney
to get one. This is not her fault, but the responsibilities
of the previous regime, and this one, if it wishes to redress
former wrongs needs to understand the requirement, as I state
in my last court hearing in the UK, of the flexibilities in
the law's rules otherwise continued injustice occurs. This
was never about the state, it is about a family member who
was criminal, the state simply didn't help, officials
wilfully hindered the process. Why should it be any skin of
anybodies nose (as we say here) for such a simple case of
family theft to be investigated. The court knows it's not
about the money, we said we never wanted to export it, while
Romania understandably needed and needs foreign currency. The
money won from the last case under Pres. Ceaucescu, with his
help, simply stayed in the account and diminished in value
with inflation so it is now worth no more than a pound of
meat, whereas in 1965 it was enough to buy a single room
apartment.
What is really the problem is simply this,
in short, and to conclude so you have gotten to know me
better.
The present family members, one in Sweden,
one in Canada, and the recipient in Timisoara, absolutely
rely on the widespread, and changing, culture of omissions,
and no paperwork from the past, hence the reason for my focus
on the culpable acts that FLOW from precisely omissions
carried out wifully. Certain people in authority appear
to be afraid that this is an attack on the system and people
as a whole, a major fallacy of thinking, and misjudgment.
Were it in the UK my approach would be identical. So
these people have my wife'sw property, and sit still laughing
at how we are going to prove it. Well I can, just get them
into a courtroom under perjury and I think I have the
questions they cannot answer. In each case I prevailed in,
the defendant lost their case usually with one question well
aimed, and governed by the laws of thought, they were in a
contradiction so fast they couldn't think. That is why, if it
comes to a case the rules are truth first, superior to
fallacious proof under the guise of 'supperssio veri' &
suggestio falsi', Statements under perjury laws, and the
first question might be, why the defendant has NEVER
acknowledged letetrs, always retu4ning them as 'not here'
and the court never having complied with my four essential
pre-requisite for a truthful hearing, 'discovery of papers'
my 'ex parte' request for seizure of papers after the death
of the uncle. WHY, no don't move on WHY must be answered
first, and under the laws of perjury, I have dozens of such
questions whose answer are going to be extremely difficult to
answer without lividity in the facial expressions & why
no one is prepared to have this looked at transparently,
because those questions include officials who could not
continue a telephone conversation from what my recording
appears to be fear. I apologise for flowing digressions,
but have tried in my own way to answer all. If I could meet
the same in the officials I will be satisfied, but I don't
expect it. In conclusion great day for Romania, and all
the wonderful people there, of my acquaintance. Apologies
for typos and errors, E & O I. Kind regards.
TOny _________________ Re opening a case of theft
of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been
recorded and becoming public at the above website.
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ZVrk Grup-moderatori
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 9:09 pm
Titlul subiectului: Re: Furt de proprietate
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Anthony, please allow
me to “translate” my message: “I have
deleted two of three identical messages posted by mistake,
due to a system error. The third is still there!”.
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Its
really wonderful to be able to even speak to you, I expected
the controlling mind, if it IS YOU, to be more distant, and
obscured. When it comes to communicating with people in
authority, ...
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magnum Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 9:18 pm
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Just one more
question.. can we move ur topic on the chit-chat section and
continue the discution? If not, I will stop right here.
And
one more thing.. can u pls ask ur wife to write just a few
words in romanian here?
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Anthony Cetatean
Data
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 10:09 pm
Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate
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Buna seara Magnum,
Sint Timisoreana, venita la londra prin casatorie,
D-Voastra, va rog frumos sinteti Romin? Sinteti
Timisoarean? Cu multumir Monica Winter. _________________ Re
opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful
obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public
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Heron_Invictus Cetatean
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Trimis:
17/Mai/2006, 10:14 pm
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majoritatea din
Timisoara stimata doamna
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