Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 10:16 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

Dear Magnum,
Re chit chat session, I don't know where that is, and it also means setting aside the time for for an interactive session, for example we were away for an hour at supper, and have restrictions on our time at present with visitors and so on. Let me have a look at it, it may be better if we simply have a ms chat, msmessenger is very familiar to me and already set up. you are welcome to my email which is on the website.
Regards.
Tony
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Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 10:22 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

Dear Heron, the Romanian you are using is somewhat obtuse, I do not understand it precisely, I translate that as "The majority from Timosoara, esteemed madam"
??
Tony
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Trimis: 17/Mai/2006, 11:19 pm    Titlul subiectului: Re: Furt de proprietate

Anthony a scris:

As the Cadastre did not have a fax or email address, I requested HE pass the emails I sent to the cadastre down to the other rooms.

I'm not sure, but I believe you're looking for:

"OFICIUL DE CADASTRU SI PUBLICITATE IMOBILIARA "
TIMISOARA PTA LIBERTATII, No. 1
TIMIS
Phone(s): 0256/201089
Fax: 0256/221377; 0256/201377

I searched for it using "Golden Pages"
http://www.paginiaurii.ro/

Unfortunately their website is down...
http://www.oncgc.ro/

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Comunicate de presa

Infiintarea ANCPI
25-05-2005

Cadastrul, inca un pas pentru
Romania in Uniunea Europeana Bucuresti, 9 august 2004

In Romania s-a constituit sistemul unic de inregistrare a proprietatii imobiliare, prin reorganizarea Oficiului National de Cadastru, Geodezie si Cartografie si preluarea activitatii de publicitate imobiliara (birourilor de Carte Funciara) de la Ministerul Justitiei.
Se creeaza astfel o structura unica de coordonare a activitatii de cadastru si publicitate imobiliara prin infiintarea AGENTIEI NATIONALE DE CADASTRU SI PUBLICITATE IMOBILIARA ( ANCPI ), asigurandu-se totodata maximum de operativitate in identificarea si inregistrarea proprietatii, cu cheltuieli si efort minim pentru cetatean.
Noua institutie publica, ca unica autoritate in domeniu, se afla in subordinea Ministerului Administratiei si Internelor si este reprezentata in teritoriu prin Oficiile de Cadastru si Publicitate Imobiliara si Centrul National de Geodezie, Cartografie, Fotogrammetrie si Teledetectie. Aceste structuri au fost concepute sa functioneze ca organisme moderne, eficiente, capabile sa-si finanteze activitatea din venituri proprii. Angajatii nu vor mai avea statut de "functionari publici" ci de "personal contractual".
Personalul existent in actualele structuri va putea opta intre calitatea avuta anterior reorganizarii si cea de „personal contractual”, urmand a fi angajati in cadrul Agentiei Nationale in urma sustinerii unui test profesional. Totodata, salarizarea se va stabili strict pe criterii profesionale, existand posibilitatea stimularii reale a celor care dovedesc eficienta si calitate in exercitarea atributiilor ce le revin in cadrul organizatiei.
In perioada de tranzitie, mecanismul de transmitere a bunurilor materiale si arhivelor birourilor de carte funciara, de la judecatorii la Oficiile de Cadastru si Publicitate Imobiliara, se va derula fara intreruperea activitatii, in asa fel incat cetateanul sa nu resimta negativ schimbarile intervenite, iar procesul de inscriere a proprietatilor sa nu fie perturbat.
In viziunea noii Agentii Nationale, sunt prevazute o serie de masuri, ce se vor aplica in cel mai scurt timp, menite sa consolideze increderea populatiei in sistem, sa elimine disfunctionalitatile administrative interne si externe:
- standardizarea si optimizarea proceselor de solutionare a problemelor si acordare a avizelor;
- controlul calitatii pentru procesele interne de avizare;
- rezolvarea cererilor in ordinea inregistrarii;
- introducerea taxelor de urgenta;
- crearea unei interfete intre cetatean si sistem prin incheierea unor protocoale intre oficiile judetene de cadastru si publicitate imobiliara si birourile notariale, respectiv oficiile postale, pentru a prelua si transmite cererea/documentatia de la client catre structurile locale ale agentiei si retur; se intentioneaza prin aceasta procedura, diminuarea interactiunii cetatenilor cu birourile de cadastru si publicitate imobiliara, oferindu-le astfel posibilitatea economisirii timpului petrecut pentru a-si rezolva problemele si asigurarea unui flux organizat, eficient si controlabil al informatiei;
- lansarea unor campanii de comunicare la nivel national, pentru a lamuri toate aspectele legate de functionarea sistemului si avantajele oferite de noua forma de inregistrare a proprietatilor prin infiintarea Agentiei Nationale de Cadastru si Publicitate Imobiliara.
Avantajele acestui sistem vor permite:
- reducerea cheltuielilor de la bugetul de stat pe care le necesitau inregistrarile separate si paralele;
- asigurarea inregistrarii eficiente a imobilelor datorita existentei unei decizii unice si standardizarii/ optimizarii proceselor;
- integrarea informatiilor intr-un sistem unic ce permite actualizarea rapida, simultana a datelor cadastrale si a inregistrarilor juridice privind terenurile;
- reducerea timpului necesar procesului de lucru;
- sistemul unic de cadastru si publicitate imobiliara va putea permite Romaniei, in cazul integrarii in Uniunea Europeana, sa beneficieze de programele de sprijin, de dezvoltare rurala si de mediu;
- transformarea serviciului public de cadastru si publicitate imobiliara intr-o structura moderna, eficienta la dispozitia cetateanului care sa asigure standardele de calitate europene in domeniu;
- dinamizarea pietei imobiliare;
- accelerarea procesului de dezvoltare rurala durabila;
- asigurarea unei baze de impozitare reale.

Lynn Holstein, conducatorul proiectului, din partea Bancii Mondiale, privind cadastrul general in Romania, aflat in misiune la Bucuresti a mentionat: “Sunt bucuros ca Romania a inteles importanta unificarii sistemului cadastral cu cel al cartii funciare intr-o singura administratie. Acest lucru inseamna un pas mare in procesul de aderare la Uniunea Europeana si un castig major pentru populatie.”

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I hope this helps!

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 12:35 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

Thank you for this, when we spoke many times to the cadastre, (and court, embassy and others) in June 2003, the cadastre asked us to email the mayor's office stating clearly the rooms were in the town hall at that time. He, the Mayor, had the only viable computer, and the court did not even have paper regularly in their fax machines. It was obviously difficult then and may be much easier now. Of course I would expect changes since then, but our issues having moved onwards and upwards due to unsatisfactory outcomes of due process of law and miscorrespondence with elements of the published Romanian Constituion.
The event is well in the past, and going back, while the information is very helpful will be of little value at this time.
I thank you for your patience and time take to research this, and will keep the information on file. All the direct email addresses to the Mayor, and public relations etc are also of course no longer working. My initial letter to this forum, was copied to the Mayor's office, on their format. My records have not altered since the first exchanges and remain fixed as they were at the time.
Thank you, Tony
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 8:34 am    Titlul subiectului: Re: Furt de proprietate

Anthony a scris:

Dear Heron, the Romanian you are using is somewhat obtuse, I do not understand it precisely, I translate that as "The majority from Timosoara, esteemed madam"
??
Tony

Anthony, I wonder why your wife, who wrote in romanian, hasn't translate to you what I was saying. Is it that you translated it with a translation program and signed it as your wife?

Just wondering

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 10:17 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

No, Even I can understand the phrase, but I asked my wife to confirm. It appears to be somewhat obtuse. When she wrote to you she very deliberately chose specific words that would be recognised by a person living in Timisoara. I am not familar with any program that translates text for Romanian, I am for other common European languages. If their is one I would like to know it?
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 10:27 am    Titlul subiectului:

You're right, I'm from elsewhere and you caught me.

But, tell your wife that being from Timisoara means

Timisoreanca...Timisoreana is called the local beer

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 11:22 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

No, you have made an unwarranted assumption. My wife avoids speaking argot, she chooses to speak Romainian in its classic form ****, as I do English, (I suspect, butcan be VERY wrong, you are a younger person, we are 59 and 60 yrs old, I guess 'very difficult' you may be between 20 & 40).

**** As in 'sint Banateana din Timisoara, nu Banateanca.

No "esteemed lady" is Timisoreanca.

On a personal note, dear Heron, I - Monica, was a teacher of classic Romanian, and a very good actress, also a top London Model. If you want to learn Romanian, come here to the UK!

Monica says, "Sint incintata sa va cunosc. Servus.

From me, unfortunaley the first words I learned at Mamaia were the worst kind of language. By the time Monica corrected me, I had to marry her!
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Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 11:24 am    Titlul subiectului:

lol.. ok Heron is right... but I supose that ur wife being so long in UK, forgot a lot about she's native language. Anyway, I think we r done here.

@ Monica Winter
Multumesc doamna pt ca ati scris, eram curios de cateva cuvinte si din partea dvs. Va urez succes in demersurile dvs, noi am facut tot ce am putut aici sa va ajutam cat de cat, asa cum am putut.

In rest, hai sa terminam ca intram in off si nu e bine. Am cam zis cu totii ce am avut de zis. Mergem mai departe.

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 11:28 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

PS, Not to say we are incapable of speaking argot but to do so on first acquaintance without seeing the person is presumptuous. Monica "Vorbea ardeneleasca ca o ardeleana", (nu ardeleanca) veritabila.
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Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 11:37 am    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

We have not been back to Romania for many years, but Monica writes and speaks to friends many times. She has by her bedside versurile Eminescu, Minulescu si romanul Enigma Otilea de Calinescu as favourite night reading. Not counting hundreds of Romanian books she gets from friends who know her interests in drama, she adores Ion Louca carageale and acted in all his short plays, where she learned the most vulgar Romanian known to man. Caragiale set all his plays at the bear garden - Gambriul, where we also spent many evenings together.
For me its Shakespeare, as you no doubt may have guessed from the website.
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 18/Mai/2006, 5:21 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

If I cannot succeed against the forces majeure, justice may follow the path of it being in the public domain and the website. I shall be complaining to the OHCHR under the 1503 procedure, which is unlikey to give strong results, but it will add to the history, and Romania has obligations to fulfill under the new treaties. As the case traverse time, everyone who is in office becomes enmeshed in the tangle of clear wiful negligence where they fail to follow a code of conduct that is written down as in the constituion, and treaties.
Success is not the objective, the deepening understanding of the way officials breach their obligations is very important in the fight against injustices, and that is what my part is about, to help others. This does not take a large area of focus in our lives, it is something I do as if a weekly task like cleaning the car. Some give to the orphans of Romania, if this prowerty were retrived , it may have well been donated in part or full to such a cause.
There is no present suffering, and no gain other than growing knowledge. I see no reason the present usurper should either live or use with content, comfort and without concern, nor should he think the eyes of the world are not directed at him or his actions. The guilty uncle and his wife died in manners that were very bad, possibly caused by the stress of living a usurped life in stolen property. That was the burden they took on their consciences.
It's a very long and complex story, a bit like Edmund Dante's one in prison while working out the underlying processes behind the superfial data on the surface, in the COunt of Monte Cristo, which I trust you know of.
Some take action by suffering and some take action by re-distributing the detriment. "They also serve that only stand and wait" Milton on his blindness.
Best regards Tony
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 20/Mai/2006, 12:29 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

Commencing this weekend, material relevant to this thread will be added to the pages of the wesite http://www.forceofdestiny.co.uk/Romania.
Essentially the evidence showing what happeend to my emails commencing three years ago, requesting particular pre-action protocol requirements to be carried out in pursuit of proper justice allowing full dignity and respect towards the defendants. Did they show any in return? NO.
What was requested,where the emails went, on what machines were they opened them, and then the operators, (the recipients or their directed functionaries) IGNORED them.
The semantics involved in the guilty mind where particular use of language reveals the misdirected focus, exposing culpability and guilt.
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Re opening a case of theft of inheritance where wilful obstructoin of justice has been recorded and becoming public at the above website.

Trimis: 20/Mai/2006, 9:09 pm    Titlul subiectului: Furt de proprietate

The first part evidence of a mass of similar is now in place. For those interested in the forensics of email tracking there is a insight.
T
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Trimis: 21/Mai/2006, 3:54 am    Titlul subiectului: Re: Furt de proprietate

Anthony a scris:

she adores Ion Louca carageale and acted in all his short plays, where she learned the most vulgar Romanian known to man. .

Common, Anthony, you're way off. Caragiale may be frust, but never vulgar ("most vulgar known to man" you say).
Maybe Shakespeare is vulgar, sometimes. Not that I protest, as long as he shakes it.